COURTNEY LOVES CONNECTIONS
.On April 13th, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, a Seattle-based newspaper, claims to have spoken with a source close to the investigation. The next day, an article with the headline “Cobain lay dead for 3 days” is published claiming the source said Cobain had 1,52 mg/l of morphine in his system and that there were traces of diazepam (Valium). It is possible that the source disclosed the results of the first test, which is instantaneous, but it is impossible that in less than in a couple of days officials knew the exact quantity of morphine present in Cobain’s system. Considering morphine, the substance heroin turns into when metabolized, remains in the system up to 3 days after the last take, and diazepam remains up to 5 days, it is impossible to know if Cobain injected himself a dose of heroin before dying or if his last take was 3 days before his death. Regarding diazepam, Cobain was in a rehab facility in Marina del Rey, CA. In this facility, he was given Valium for the last time in the afternoon of April 1st. It is possible that the traces of diazepam found in his system were just the remains of the Valium ingestion while staying at the rehab facility.
The most relevant piece of evidence towards the ruling of a suicide would have to be the note. Norm Stamper, Chief of police at the time of the investigation says
“The fact that the handwriting looks to my untrained eye, different at the bottom of that note than it does during the body certainly does suggest that putting that note in the hands of a trained documents examiner or someone who really understands a lot more than we do as cops…”
Carole Chaskin a forensic linguist gives her thoughts on the note
“one of the perhaps surprising characteristics of this note is that the largest section of the note talks so much about his relationship to music, and it’s only the very small part, the last few lines that actually talk about his relationship to his family.
But there’s another linguistically interesting thing about the second to, and final four lines of the note, and that is that; that is what most of us would consider a stereotypical suicide note…”.
In our personal opinions, the note looks and sounds phony and according to the experts, we’re not the only ones.
SUICIDE NOTE
ROME INCIDENT
“. It means that the activity in Kurt’s card is delayed, doesn’t show real-time transactions.
Courtney has friends and connections in the Seattle Police Department.
Narcotics Detective, Antonio Terry, was one of her “friends” at the time. Courtney talked to Detective Terry on Tom Grant’s car phone once while he was with her.
Terry was the one Courtney called when she got angry and wanted a drug buddy arrested. As mentioned in the Summary of Events, Detective Terry was even referred to in Cobain’s Missing Person’s Report as someone to see for “further info.” Of course, Detective Terry can’t talk now. As mentioned earlier he was later murdered two months after Cobain’s death in an off-duty incident. Why would the police blackout this entire paragraph before releasing the report? They seemed to have done this in order to protect Courtney Love and to conceal their negligence in this overdose incident and in their later so-called “suicide” investigation. This reminds us of the Rome incident, where Kurt had an overdose while Courtney with him in the same room.
The pills (Rohypnol) that were found in his stomach came from a prescription from Courtney. Rohypnol is a tranquillizer about ten times more potent than Valium. The drug is available as a white or olive-green pill and is usually sold in the manufacturer’s bubble packaging. Rohypnol has the effect of making the victim incapable of resisting, giving it the reputation of a “date-rape” drug. Rohypnol users often describe its effects as “paralyzing.” The effects start twenty to thirty minutes after taking the drug, peak within two hours and may persist for eight or even twelve hours.
The reason why this reminds us so much of the Rome incident in march 1994, is because Courtney had Rohypnol prescribed on her name and that she took the pills with her to Rome. Kurt said that his overdose was an accident, so not intentionally. Everyone claimed this was an accident: Kurt, his doctor, his friends, family, the music company, even his wife, Courtney Love said it was an accident. Nobody ever mentioned Kurt being suicidal. Courtney came with the suicide story only after Cobain was dead. Courtney said that Cobain had: “Swallowed 50 pills” but in order to do so, you have to press the pills out separately 50 times, and swallow 50 pills, which would make it a suicide attempt. Everyone around Kurt denied Kurt was suicidal after the Rome incident. The whole Rome incident is in itself very suspicious. (Later Courtney used the incident to make Kurt appear suicidal) Courtney was with Kurt in one room and had Rohypnol with her. It is very much possible that Courtney overdosed Kurt in Rome by mixing Rohypnol with alcohol. Courtney burnt the note from Rome on advice from Sgt. Cameron because “It was a nasty letter, it wouldn’t do you any good” If you look at the report on May 2, 1993, the Seattle police literally says that Courtney: had given Kurt Cobain 50 ml of Buprenorphine Intramuscularly, Valium, 3 Benadryl, and four codeine Tylenol tablets. Courtney gives Kurt another overdose with pills after Kurt already overdosed on heroin.
So we have an overdose from May 2, 1993. We have the Rome overdose in March 1994, and then Kurt’s death on April 8, 1994. Kurt had three times the lethal dose of heroin and Valium in his blood system. Do you see a pattern? Courtney love walks around with drugs and every time she is with Kurt, she puts his life at risk with more drugs. She doesn’t seem to be careful about the well-being of her husband. She creates incidents, assaults, suicide stories that never happen and that she cannot prove, all to make it appear that Kurt wanted to kill himself. You can wonder why Courtney would do something like that? Courtney Love has definitely a motive here. She wants to get away from Cobain and it would be very convenient for Courtney if she would create a reality where Kurt was suicidal and killed himself, so she could inherit his money, his fame. Kurt’s death was an overkill. The gunshot was not necessary. The heroin alone killed Cobain in seconds. The gun and the gunshot wound had to be there to make sure Kurt was dead and to make it a self-inflicted gunshot, + the note that was found. As if Kurt committed suicide. The whole combination of the enormous amounts of heroin and the Valium found in Kurt’s blood, the gun and the shotgun wound + the suspicious note is the work of Courtney love and of no other. This report proves that Courtney gave Kurt another overdose before his death. She put his life in danger and all that the Seattle Police Department does is back up her story, hiding her dangerous behaviour.
Police said the shotgun Cobain used to kill himself was lent to him by a friend. They said the friend, who wasn’t identified, purchased the gun with Cobain’s money.
In a recent interview, Love told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that she had become increasingly frustrated with police inability to shut down Cobain’s drug sources.
She said she gave information to Seattle police about a person who regularly provided Cobain with drugs. “It’s like apples in an orchard,” Love said. “It’s falling off the … trees. … The Seattle police won’t do anything about it. I asked them, ‘Don’t you get embarrassed when you (hear) that Seattle is famous for grunge, cappuccino and heroin?’ “
Three days later, he left the facility without warning. Love, fearful that he was in a suicidal depression, hired private investigators to find him, but they were unsuccessful, the newspaper said.
Narcotics Capt. Dan Bryant wouldn’t comment Tuesday on what he described as an ongoing investigation.
Cobain’s body was discovered Friday by an electrician who had come to install a security system in his home.
COURTNEY LOVES DRUG INVOLVEMENT
Courtney Love said she had given Kurt Cobain 50 ml of Buprenorphine Intramuscularly, Valium, 3 Benadryl, and four codeine Tylenol tablets, causing him to vomit 25 minutes after she gave the pills to him. There was never any question that this incident involved an accidental overdose. Courtney Love has spoken openly about this incident since Cobain’s death. She succeeded in convincing several naïve journalists that her heroic efforts here actually saved Kurt’s life. How did she save him? And what information was contained in that paragraph blocked out by the police?
The police report actually says that Courtney, claiming she was trying to revive Kurt, injected him with Buprenorphine. She also force-fed him Valium; Codeine-based Tylenol which also contains Acetaminophen, and Benadryl.
It is really weird behaviour to give a person who has an overdose, more heavy pills.
The fact that Kurt threw up the pills 25 minutes after Courtney gave them to him proves that she gave Kurt another overdose, but now with pills. According to our medical research, Buprenorphine is especially lethal when combined with Valium. Codeine is an opiate.
Courtney reportedly gave Kurt four pills (32 mg), which undoubtedly added significantly to his total opiate threshold.
Benadryl is basically an antihistamine and is well-known to produce a variety of negative complications when combined haphazardly with other drugs. The combination of all these additional drugs after his overdose would have made Cobain’s condition much worse and would have endangered his life.
Why wasn’t Courtney arrested for possessing, injecting and administering illegal drugs to her husband?
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‘Lasting Memory’ – The Lake Washington greenhouse was reportedly demolished by 1998. (Photo Seattle Pi)
MEDIA INVOLVEMENT
The media spread the information that Kurt Cobain left the rehab center, then bought a gun and was suicidal. Kurt wasn’t suicidal and he and his friend purchased the gun before Kurt left. If Kurt wanted to end his own life, why didn’t he do this on the day he and his friend bought the gun? Why wait to go to rehab? And why go to rehab in the first place if he was so ‘suicidal?’
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that Cobain “was shot once in the left ear.” But in a nationally televised photo that shows the rear right shoulder of Cobain’s body, not one drop of blood can be seen on Cobain’s white shirt or on the floor around him. If Cobain was shot in the left ear or anywhere else on his head, the right side of his body should have been covered with blood. Despite these inconsistencies, Dr.Hartshorne, issued a death certificate citing as cause of death a “perforating gunshot wound to the head (mouth).
” If this is true, all the blood must have exited from the left side of his body. More importantly, this specious death certificate allowed Courtney Love to cremate Cobain’s body only one week after it was discovered, thus permanently destroying the most important piece of evidence in the investigation. In response to media incredulity over the mystery wound, in June 1994 the medical examiner’s office modified its verdict by saying that there actually was “no exit wound” and that “all of the shot stayed inside the skull.”
Dr. Hartshorne and his colleague Dr. Donald Reay then released a remarkable document that says Cobain suffered both a “contact penetrating shotgun wound to the head” and a “contact perforating shotgun wound to the head.” But a “penetrating” wound is one where the bullet enters, but does not exit the body.
A “perforating” wound is one where the bullet both enters and exits the body.
Why couldn’t they make up their minds?
ROME INCIDENT
More Mythology in Rome?
In another article, published by Rolling Stone Magazine in June of 1994 by the well-known author Neil Strauss, there also appears to be some glaring misconceptions with regard to not only the evening of March 18th – but of Cobain’s accidental overdose in Rome on March 4th, just two weeks before the March 18th police call. The article characterized that Cobain’s overdose in Rome, was a “failed suicide attempt, however, this media analysis differed quite a bit from Dr. Osvaldo Galleta, the attending doctor who treated Cobain:
and Love told police she feared a suicide.
Police found three pistols, a rifle and 25 boxes of ammunition, but Cobain denied he was suicidal and told officers he had locked himself in the room after an argument with Love. Police confiscated the weapons, but took no other action.
He initially stayed in Seattle, the Times said, but gave in and on March 28, checked into a recovery program at Marina del Rey, Calif.
Love went to Los Angeles on March 25 to prepare for the release of a new album by her band, Hole. She urged Cobain to come with her and check into a recovery program.
In March 2014, the Seattle Police Department developed four rolls of film that had been left in an evidence vault. According to the Seattle police, the photographs depict the scene of Cobain’s corpse more clearly than previous Polaroid images taken by the police. Detective Mike Cieszynski, a cold case investigator, was asked to look at the film because “it is 20 years later and it’s a high media case”. Cieszynski stated that the official cause of Cobain’s death remains suicide and that the images would not be released to the public, but in 2016, the images were released. According to a spokesperson for the Seattle police, the department receives at least one request weekly, mostly through Twitter, to reopen the investigation. This resulted in the maintenance of the basic incident report on file.
DET. MIKE CIESYNSKI
DET. MIKE CIESZYNSKI
I had no involvement in the original investigation aside from taking a taped statement two years after Cobain’s death. I also knew that a couple of rolls of 35 mm film, backup evidence photos from the death scene, were never processed. So, I ordered up the case file from our records vault, closed my private office door, and read the entire file for the first time One of the original case detectives,
Steve Kirkland, had passed away, as did the scene sergeant Don Cameron. Steve and his partner Jim Yoshida were the best homicide detectives in the unit. Jim was retired, so I gave him a call and told him what I was up to. Jim told me that Courtney Love was very cooperative throughout the investigation and that they had spent a lot of time on the case. I asked Jim who had made the decision not to develop all of the film. He said it was Cameron’s call to not develop the film and to have it placed in the records room safe along with the case file so that no one would swipe anything. Obviously, the media attention was making a few folks a little paranoid
. Dr. Nikolas Hartshome was the assistant medical examiner who conducted the autopsy. Nick was a great guy who passed away in 2002. When I received the autopsy report I remembered leaning back in my chair and giving a “whoa” after seeing the morphine level Kurt had in his system. It also showed track marks, and there were several grams of black tar heroin left in his kit. Black tar heroin is found on the west coast west of the Mississippi as compared to Brown or white heroin found on the eastern part of the U.S. I knew I had to develop the film. The supervisor of the crime lab grimaced when I explained it was 20 years old. Film becomes deteriorates with each passing year and becomes very brittle — something I know from working old cold cases — and I wasn’t about to let the film get anymore fouled on my watch. We would have to take the film to the sheriff’s photo unit since Seattle Police Department stopped developing 35mm film since transitioning to digital. Once developed, it was obvious the film had deteriorated, leaving a green tint to all of the photos. The note recovered from the scene was examined by a Washington State Patrol Forensic Document Examiner who concluded the note was written by Cobain.
Dr. Wecht
In this interview Dr. Wecht talks about different aspects of his expertise and renders his opinion on the death of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain.
(1) Why do you believe that Mr Cobain’s death was a homicide staged as a suicide?
I have never seen a case of someone with such an exceptionally high level of heroin, enough to kill a lot of people, who were able to do what the authorities say Kurt Cobain did. It does not make any sense at all from a physiological, neurological or psychological standpoint. Num
(2) Are you aware of any recorded cases of deceased persons with the blood morphine level comparable to Mr. Cobain’s?
Not frequently, but I have dealt with several over the years. In fact, I will be testifying in one in the next couple of weeks in Philadelphia. So, while they are not frequent, they do occur. It is just not something that you would never see. I have dealt with a couple dozen over the years in which I rendered reports and testified. Could you walk us through the proper procedure of determining the cause and manner of death, the role of the police department and the medical examiner in the process, as well as the sequence and timeline for the process? The procedures are very straightforward. Homicide detectives are called to the scene, not just plain regular cops.
(3) You have also expressed some doubts about the position of the shotgun on Mr. Cobain’s body.
Yes. The position of the shotgun did not fit either with someone having shot himself with a shotgun. That was very important too. When you go to a scene and you have someone who has been found shot you have to be very careful. This leads me to another big point which is that the scene was not at all properly investigated. They made a quick assumption of a very premature nature that it was a suicide. You do not do that. You treat every case as if it were homicide and most of the time it will prove to be a suicide or maybe an accident. The percentage of homicides will below, but you make sure that you treat it as one. You collect everything that you can: footprints, fingerprints, trace evidence, physical evidence, hair, and so on. And then if it all proves to be unnecessary, the only thing is that you have spent some time, some energy. But this was not done, and the scene was not properly investigated.
(4) In your practice how often have you come across staged suicides?
(5) You walked us through the proper procedure and now how was this procedure not followed in Mr. Cobain’s case?
(6) What can be done to have this case reinvestigated now?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/VAkCi9l3lxU?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparentjudge refuses to release photos in Cobain case
The legal next of kin would have to become very active in pushing for this. There isn’t any process available to have this case reinvestigated by another agency? No, it would have to come from law enforcement. There is no statute of limitations on homicide, so from a legal standpoint you could revisit, but it would have to emanate from the district attorney or a law enforcement agency. Dr. Nikolas Hartshorne signed Kurt Cobain’s death certificate calling his death a suicide one day after the body was discovered. This was despite the fact that the full toxicology results would not be available for weeks. Hartshorne was employed by the King County Medical Examiner’s Office on a fellowship. He had not yet taken the accreditation examination necessary to become a certified examiner. Hartshorne died in 2002 in a BASE-jumping accident. Autopsy reports are not a matter of public record in Washington State, where Mr. Cobain died. Only the next of kin can request their copies. If you had access to Mr. Cobain’s autopsy report either because it was forwarded to you by his family or you found yourself in its possession in some other manner, would you be willing to examine it and render a professional opinion? read the full interview below
Director Benjamin Statler’s docudrama “Soaked in Bleach” ends with former Seattle Police chief Norm Stamper saying he would reopen the investigation into the death of Kurt Cobain, if he were calling the shots today. But Stamper was the guy in charge from 1994 to 2000, including the time of Cobain’s death. He now insists that Seattle Police should “have taken steps to study patterns involved in the behavior of key individuals who had a motive to see Kurt Cobain dead.” He went on to say that, “If in fact Kurt Cobain was murdered, as opposed to having committed suicide, and it was possible to learn that, shame on us for not doing that. That was in fact our responsibility. It’s about right and wrong. It’s about honor. It’s about ethics.” Stamper hammered home his point, adding: “If we didn’t get it right the first time, we damn well better get it right the second time, and I would tell you right now if I were the Chief of Police, I would reopen this investigation.” The movie, which is told from the perspective of private investigator Tom Grant, (who was hired by Cobain’s wife Courtney Love to find her husband after he went missing from a rehab center in Los Angeles), is woven together through reenactments of the hours of recorded conversations between Grant and Love, and interviews with experts who refuse to believe Cobain died by suicide.
Carmen Best
The movie addressed the undeveloped film and reenacts a scene in which Grant is told the photos will probably never be developed because they “don’t develop photos on suicides.” “Soaked In Bleach” goes on to claim that “by their negligent death investigation,” the Seattle Police:
Allowed Kurt Cobain to be cremated 6 days after being discovered. Waited 30 days to process the shotgun for fingerprints. Gave Courtney Love the shotgun to have it melted down. Allowed the greenhouse crime scene to be torn down and destroyed
(read more in the blog link below)
http://cobainevidenceblog.blogspot.cz/2016/05/washington-state-patrol-declined-to.html
, Tom Grant (PI hired by Courtney to find Kurt in his missing days) asked for his credit card transaction log. After looking at it, Grant thought it was alarming because Cobain’s death took place somewhere between the 5th and 6th of April, and the activity of Cobain’s card continued on April 6th. Immediately, Grant informed the Seattle Police department. One of the officers said he was going to take care of the matter, talking to Seafirst Bank. The bank said that “they had only been able to identify when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not specifically when the attempt was made or who it was made by“. It means that the activity in Kurt’s card is delayed, doesn’t show real-time transactions.
Tom Grant doesn’t believe in the bank statement. However, his scans of the transactions reveal the bank and police were right. Looking at the activities of Cobain’s card provided by Tom Grant, on the top line it
October 10, 2011
(KURT AND COURTNEY) INTERVIEW WITH NICK BROOMFIELD
interview with Nick about his thoughts on the movie Rivaling the tabloid documentaries of Nick Broomfield in the realm of boldness and imagination are personal, in-house motives which propel him into ever more raw, nervy and in your face moviemaking. Broomfield revealed to me in an intriguing two-way conversation how he casts himself in his own fantasy scenarios as the embodiment of the modern adventurer, in the tradition of guys like Jack London and Melville. But the go for broke director of Heidi Fleiss: Hollywood Madam and Aileen Wuornos: The Selling of A Serial Killer may have met his match, not to mention his white whale, with Kurt and Courtney. Cobain widow and rocker Courtney Love went on the offensive against Broomfield and nearly succeeded in shutting his showdown through her corporate influences in the rock world. Of course, this just added fuel to Broomfield’s creative mission, and he explained why.
PRAIRIE MILLER:
After going through the whole experience of making Kurt and Courtney, what is your personal take on the reasons behind Kurt Cobain’s death?
NICK BROOMFIELD:
I think that he committed suicide. I don’t think that there’s a smoking gun. And I think there’s only one way you can explain a lot of things around his death. Not that he was murdered, but that there was just a lack of caring for him. I just think that Courtney had moved on, and he was expendable.
PM: Did the process of making this movie change any of your preconceived notions about either Kurt or Courtney?
NB: I fully expected Courtney to take part in the film, and to use it in a positive way to explain a lot of things that were being said about Kurt’s death. And I fully expected her to be very likeable and charismatic, in the same way for example that Heidi Fleiss was in my film about her. I was really astonished when Courtney tried to control the film. You know, with the BBC and MTV, and trying to block me from getting any of the music. I was really astonished and amazed. That gave a lot more credibility to some of the stories that people were saying about her. I thought a lot of the things that were being said were very extreme, but after a while, I came to believe them. And that was directly borne out of my own experiences in making this film. It was really like a diary. I didn’t go into this thinking anything negative at all about Courtney. It was actually made with a lot of reluctance. I mean, for me it would have been much more satisfying to make a film about someone whom I could say, all these bad things are being said, but she’s such a wonderful person. I didn’t get any satisfaction out of making what I believe to be a truthful, but very dark portrait of someone.
PM: Is she still harassing you in any way?
NB: No.
PM: She gave up?
NB: Yeah.
PM: And what about your preconceived notions related to Kurt Cobain?
NB: With him, it was probably the opposite. The people who were close to him were incredibly moved by him. And I think he was a very sensitive character who grew up under very difficult conditions. You know, he grew up in a logging town among big, tough loggers, and he was a very sensitive creature. He was an artist. He wrote poems and painted. He liked to play his guitar and didn’t fit in, and he frequently got beaten up. He didn’t really have a mother past the age of eight or nine and was shunted around between friends and relatives. You know, he was a lonely, unhappy child, and he really moved a lot of people. I think women wanted to mother him. I think there was a heart in him that really cried out for help, and women especially responded to that.
Filmmaker Nick Broomfield,
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In the film, Kurt and Courtney Nick Broomfield interviewed Dylan Carlson. His introduction to this interview is as follows:
“I found Dylan to be evasive and in a very defensive position. As Kurt’s best friend it was crazy for him to have bought the gun if he thought Kurt was suicidal. At the same time, he didn’t want to appear to be supporting Tom Grant’s murder theory…..”
Broomfield:
And what about his relationship with Courtney?
Carlson:
Um, obviously it was going through turbulence, some turbulence. Whether it was going to end or not we don’t know. I don’t think we ever will, I mean, you know, but I mean all marriages go through their ups and downs.
Broomfield:
Did he ever say anything to you about, I mean, he did say it to plenty of other people…?
Carlson:
Said what?
Broomfield:
That he was going to finish the relationship.
Carlson:
Divorce? I mean, he never, he flat out said anything like that or any implication about it to me, you know. I mean, he didn’t even make any hints as far as I know about any kind of divorce or anything like that.
Broomfield:
I mean, it’s like, I’m just saying it’s like, why?…
I mean, if you are his best friend and he didn’t say anything about being depressed or suicidal, he just wanted the gun for prowlers, and that Rome was just an accident, you know, maybe you would think also he could have been murdered?
Carlson:
Mmm, why? I mean, who? I mean, it’s like…..
Broomfield:
Well if you were his best friend and he never said anything about anything being wrong, and he’d seen you just before- you know, maybe Tom Grant is right, maybe he was murdered.
Carlson:
But I mean he doesn’t have to say anything about it being wrong. I mean, it’s like, you know, when you are friends with someone there is like subtler forms of information transfer than just flat out, you know…
Broomfield:
So what did he subtly communicate to you?.
Carlson:
Broomfield:
I’m just trying to get a sense of what he did communicate to you. What you understood.
Carlson:
I mean, the thing is it’s like, the time he would have been communicating any sort of, you know, a sense that he wanted to kill himself was already….was when he came back from Exodus when I didn’t see him, you know.
Broomfield:
But if you bought the gun before he went and you think he was now suicidal.
.. Carlson:
I don’t think he was necessarily like planning to kill himself at that point necessarily, I mean, I don’t know though…I mean…
Broomfield:
It was just a coincidence.
Carlson:
I mean, it’s like if he had been totally like suicidal from the outset he would have used the gun that day probably, you know what I mean, why did he like try to go down and go through treatment?
Broomfield:
Why do you think?
Carlson:
You know, well ’cos there was all the fucking pressure on him to go through treatment. His wife is telling him he needs to go through treatment, his record company, his management, you know. So he goes and he tries to get off drugs and he can’t or he doesn’t want to. I mean it’s like basically, he doesn’t want to cos it’s like, you know, there is no reason for him to get off drugs. You know, it’s not like he’s poverty-stricken and robbing grocery stores to supply his habit.
Broomfield:
But how was Courtney telling him to be off drugs when she was on them anyway?
Carlson:
I dunno, ’cos she was the one who was all gung-ho for him to quit. I mean, they were both constantly like, I mean, trying to hide it from one another. I mean, the most ridiculous example was one time Kurt called me up to get some speed and then the other line rang and I answered the other line and it was Courtney asking me to get her dope, and both of them were like, “Oh, don’t let the other one know (smiles), I mean.
. Broomfield:
I don’t know what I think about the whole murder conspiracy.
Carlson:
Put it this way, if I seriously thought Kurt had been murdered, the people… if I thought Courtney was involved or if I thought, they would be dead now, flat out( small laugh.) I would kill them. If I thought that was the case, I mean,…
Broomfield:
But don’t you think it’s curious that if Courtney, as you said, loved Kurt so much, and she was really so worried about him, she knew he had a gun and thought he was suicidal. That she didn’t come up to Seattle to look for him? At this point, Carlson looks thoughtful but says nothing.
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Filmmaker Nick Broomfield,
Nick & El Duce
Although Hoke claimed that he knew who killed Cobain, he did not mention a name and offered no evidence to support his assertion. However, he mentioned speaking to someone called “Allen” (Allen Wrench), before quickly interjecting, “I mean, my friend”, then laughing, “I’ll let the FBI catch him.”
Broomfield incidentally captured Hoke’s final interview, as he died days later when he was struck by a train in the middle of the night. Although El Duce passed a lie detector test no action was taken & his death was ruled an accident. https://www.youtube.com/embed/QRlxE03c5Rk?wmode=transparent
Nick Broomfield, deciding to investigate the theories himself, brought a film crew to visit a number of people associated with both Cobain and Love, including Love’s estranged father, Cobain’s aunt, and one of the couples’ former nannies Mentors’ bandleader Eldon “El Duce” Hoke, who claimed that Love had offered him $50,000 to kill Cobain.
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‘Lasting Memory’ – The Lake Washington greenhouse was reportedly demolished by 1998. (Photo Seattle Pi)
MEDIA INVOLVEMENT
The media spread the information that Kurt Cobain left the rehab center, then bought a gun and was suicidal. Kurt wasn’t suicidal and he and his friend purchased the gun before Kurt left. If Kurt wanted to end his own life, why didn’t he do this on the day he and his friend bought the gun? Why wait to go to rehab? And why go to rehab in the first place if he was so ‘suicidal?’
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that Cobain “was shot once in the left ear.” But in a nationally televised photo that shows the rear right shoulder of Cobain’s body, not one drop of blood can be seen on Cobain’s white shirt or on the floor around him. If Cobain was shot in the left ear or anywhere else on his head, the right side of his body should have been covered with blood. Despite these inconsistencies, Dr.Hartshorne, issued a death certificate citing as cause of death a “perforating gunshot wound to the head (mouth).
” If this is true, all the blood must have exited from the left side of his body. More importantly, this specious death certificate allowed Courtney Love to cremate Cobain’s body only one week after it was discovered, thus permanently destroying the most important piece of evidence in the investigation. In response to media incredulity over the mystery wound, in June 1994 the medical examiner’s office modified its verdict by saying that there actually was “no exit wound” and that “all of the shot stayed inside the skull.”
Dr. Hartshorne and his colleague Dr. Donald Reay then released a remarkable document that says Cobain suffered both a “contact penetrating shotgun wound to the head” and a “contact perforating shotgun wound to the head.” But a “penetrating” wound is one where the bullet enters, but does not exit the body.
A “perforating” wound is one where the bullet both enters and exits the body.
Why couldn’t they make up their minds?
More Mythology in Rome?
In another article, published by Rolling Stone Magazine in June of 1994 by the well-known author Neil Strauss, there also appears to be some glaring misconceptions with regard to not only the evening of March 18th – but of Cobain’s accidental overdose in Rome on March 4th, just two weeks before the March 18th police call. The article characterized that Cobain’s overdose in Rome, was a “failed suicide attempt, however, this media analysis differed quite a bit from Dr. Osvaldo Galleta, the attending doctor who treated Cobain:
and Love told police she feared a suicide.
Police found three pistols, a rifle and 25 boxes of ammunition, but Cobain denied he was suicidal and told officers he had locked himself in the room after an argument with Love. Police confiscated the weapons, but took no other action.
He initially stayed in Seattle, the Times said, but gave in and on March 28, checked into a recovery program at Marina del Rey, Calif.
Love went to Los Angeles on March 25 to prepare for the release of a new album by her band, Hole. She urged Cobain to come with her and check into a recovery program.
In March 2014, the Seattle Police Department developed four rolls of film that had been left in an evidence vault. According to the Seattle police, the photographs depict the scene of Cobain’s corpse more clearly than previous Polaroid images taken by the police. Detective Mike Cieszynski, a cold case investigator, was asked to look at the film because “it is 20 years later and it’s a high media case”. Cieszynski stated that the official cause of Cobain’s death remains suicide and that the images would not be released to the public, but in 2016, the images were released. According to a spokesperson for the Seattle police, the department receives at least one request weekly, mostly through Twitter, to reopen the investigation. This resulted in the maintenance of the basic incident report on file.
DET. MIKE CIESYNSKI
DET. MIKE CIESZYNSKI
I had no involvement in the original investigation aside from taking a taped statement two years after Cobain’s death. I also knew that a couple of rolls of 35 mm film, backup evidence photos from the death scene, were never processed. So, I ordered up the case file from our records vault, closed my private office door, and read the entire file for the first time One of the original case detectives,
Steve Kirkland, had passed away, as did the scene sergeant Don Cameron. Steve and his partner Jim Yoshida were the best homicide detectives in the unit. Jim was retired, so I gave him a call and told him what I was up to. Jim told me that Courtney Love was very cooperative throughout the investigation and that they had spent a lot of time on the case. I asked Jim who had made the decision not to develop all of the film. He said it was Cameron’s call to not develop the film and to have it placed in the records room safe along with the case file so that no one would swipe anything. Obviously, the media attention was making a few folks a little paranoid
. Dr. Nikolas Hartshome was the assistant medical examiner who conducted the autopsy. Nick was a great guy who passed away in 2002. When I received the autopsy report I remembered leaning back in my chair and giving a “whoa” after seeing the morphine level Kurt had in his system. It also showed track marks, and there were several grams of black tar heroin left in his kit. Black tar heroin is found on the west coast west of the Mississippi as compared to Brown or white heroin found on the eastern part of the U.S. I knew I had to develop the film. The supervisor of the crime lab grimaced when I explained it was 20 years old. Film becomes deteriorates with each passing year and becomes very brittle — something I know from working old cold cases — and I wasn’t about to let the film get anymore fouled on my watch. We would have to take the film to the sheriff’s photo unit since Seattle Police Department stopped developing 35mm film since transitioning to digital. Once developed, it was obvious the film had deteriorated, leaving a green tint to all of the photos. The note recovered from the scene was examined by a Washington State Patrol Forensic Document Examiner who concluded the note was written by Cobain.
In this interview Dr. Wecht talks about different aspects of his expertise and renders his opinion on the death of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain.
(1) Why do you believe that Mr Cobain’s death was a homicide staged as a suicide?
I have never seen a case of someone with such an exceptionally high level of heroin, enough to kill a lot of people, who were able to do what the authorities say Kurt Cobain did. It does not make any sense at all from a physiological, neurological or psychological standpoint. Num
(2) Are you aware of any recorded cases of deceased persons with the blood morphine level comparable to Mr. Cobain’s?
Not frequently, but I have dealt with several over the years. In fact, I will be testifying in one in the next couple of weeks in Philadelphia. So, while they are not frequent, they do occur. It is just not something that you would never see. I have dealt with a couple dozen over the years in which I rendered reports and testified. Could you walk us through the proper procedure of determining the cause and manner of death, the role of the police department and the medical examiner in the process, as well as the sequence and timeline for the process? The procedures are very straightforward. Homicide detectives are called to the scene, not just plain regular cops.
(3) You have also expressed some doubts about the position of the shotgun on Mr. Cobain’s body.
Yes. The position of the shotgun did not fit either with someone having shot himself with a shotgun. That was very important too. When you go to a scene and you have someone who has been found shot you have to be very careful. This leads me to another big point which is that the scene was not at all properly investigated. They made a quick assumption of a very premature nature that it was a suicide. You do not do that. You treat every case as if it were homicide and most of the time it will prove to be a suicide or maybe an accident. The percentage of homicides will below, but you make sure that you treat it as one. You collect everything that you can: footprints, fingerprints, trace evidence, physical evidence, hair, and so on. And then if it all proves to be unnecessary, the only thing is that you have spent some time, some energy. But this was not done, and the scene was not properly investigated.
(4) In your practice how often have you come across staged suicides?
(5) You walked us through the proper procedure and now how was this procedure not followed in Mr. Cobain’s case?
(6) What can be done to have this case reinvestigated now?
The legal next of kin would have to become very active in pushing for this. There isn’t any process available to have this case reinvestigated by another agency? No, it would have to come from law enforcement. There is no statute of limitations on homicide, so from a legal standpoint you could revisit, but it would have to emanate from the district attorney or a law enforcement agency. Dr. Nikolas Hartshorne signed Kurt Cobain’s death certificate calling his death a suicide one day after the body was discovered. This was despite the fact that the full toxicology results would not be available for weeks. Hartshorne was employed by the King County Medical Examiner’s Office on a fellowship. He had not yet taken the accreditation examination necessary to become a certified examiner. Hartshorne died in 2002 in a BASE-jumping accident. Autopsy reports are not a matter of public record in Washington State, where Mr. Cobain died. Only the next of kin can request their copies. If you had access to Mr. Cobain’s autopsy report either because it was forwarded to you by his family or you found yourself in its possession in some other manner, would you be willing to examine it and render a professional opinion? read the full interview below
The movie addressed the undeveloped film and reenacts a scene in which Grant is told the photos will probably never be developed because they “don’t develop photos on suicides.” “Soaked In Bleach” goes on to claim that “by their negligent death investigation,” the Seattle Police:
Allowed Kurt Cobain to be cremated 6 days after being discovered. Waited 30 days to process the shotgun for fingerprints. Gave Courtney Love the shotgun to have it melted down. Allowed the greenhouse crime scene to be torn down and destroyed
(read more in the blog link below)
http://cobainevidenceblog.blogspot.cz/2016/05/washington-state-patrol-declined-to.html
, Tom Grant (PI hired by Courtney to find Kurt in his missing days) asked for his credit card transaction log. After looking at it, Grant thought it was alarming because Cobain’s death took place somewhere between the 5th and 6th of April, and the activity of Cobain’s card continued on April 6th. Immediately, Grant informed the Seattle Police department. One of the officers said he was going to take care of the matter, talking to Seafirst Bank. The bank said that “they had only been able to identify when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not specifically when the attempt was made or who it was made by“. It means that the activity in Kurt’s card is delayed, doesn’t show real-time transactions.
Tom Grant doesn’t believe in the bank statement. However, his scans of the transactions reveal the bank and police were right. Looking at the activities of Cobain’s card provided by Tom Grant, on the top line it
October 10, 2011
(KURT AND COURTNEY) INTERVIEW WITH NICK BROOMFIELD
interview with Nick about his thoughts on the movie Rivaling the tabloid documentaries of Nick Broomfield in the realm of boldness and imagination are personal, in-house motives which propel him into ever more raw, nervy and in your face moviemaking. Broomfield revealed to me in an intriguing two-way conversation how he casts himself in his own fantasy scenarios as the embodiment of the modern adventurer, in the tradition of guys like Jack London and Melville. But the go for broke director of Heidi Fleiss: Hollywood Madam and Aileen Wuornos: The Selling of A Serial Killer may have met his match, not to mention his white whale, with Kurt and Courtney. Cobain widow and rocker Courtney Love went on the offensive against Broomfield and nearly succeeded in shutting his showdown through her corporate influences in the rock world. Of course, this just added fuel to Broomfield’s creative mission, and he explained why.
PRAIRIE MILLER:
After going through the whole experience of making Kurt and Courtney, what is your personal take on the reasons behind Kurt Cobain’s death?
NICK BROOMFIELD:
I think that he committed suicide. I don’t think that there’s a smoking gun. And I think there’s only one way you can explain a lot of things around his death. Not that he was murdered, but that there was just a lack of caring for him. I just think that Courtney had moved on, and he was expendable.
PM: Did the process of making this movie change any of your preconceived notions about either Kurt or Courtney?
NB: I fully expected Courtney to take part in the film, and to use it in a positive way to explain a lot of things that were being said about Kurt’s death. And I fully expected her to be very likeable and charismatic, in the same way for example that Heidi Fleiss was in my film about her. I was really astonished when Courtney tried to control the film. You know, with the BBC and MTV, and trying to block me from getting any of the music. I was really astonished and amazed. That gave a lot more credibility to some of the stories that people were saying about her. I thought a lot of the things that were being said were very extreme, but after a while, I came to believe them. And that was directly borne out of my own experiences in making this film. It was really like a diary. I didn’t go into this thinking anything negative at all about Courtney. It was actually made with a lot of reluctance. I mean, for me it would have been much more satisfying to make a film about someone whom I could say, all these bad things are being said, but she’s such a wonderful person. I didn’t get any satisfaction out of making what I believe to be a truthful, but very dark portrait of someone.
PM: Is she still harassing you in any way?
NB: No.
PM: She gave up?
NB: Yeah.
PM: And what about your preconceived notions related to Kurt Cobain?
NB: With him, it was probably the opposite. The people who were close to him were incredibly moved by him. And I think he was a very sensitive character who grew up under very difficult conditions. You know, he grew up in a logging town among big, tough loggers, and he was a very sensitive creature. He was an artist. He wrote poems and painted. He liked to play his guitar and didn’t fit in, and he frequently got beaten up. He didn’t really have a mother past the age of eight or nine and was shunted around between friends and relatives. You know, he was a lonely, unhappy child, and he really moved a lot of people. I think women wanted to mother him. I think there was a heart in him that really cried out for help, and women especially responded to that.
Filmmaker Nick Broomfield,
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In the film, Kurt and Courtney Nick Broomfield interviewed Dylan Carlson. His introduction to this interview is as follows:
“I found Dylan to be evasive and in a very defensive position. As Kurt’s best friend it was crazy for him to have bought the gun if he thought Kurt was suicidal. At the same time, he didn’t want to appear to be supporting Tom Grant’s murder theory…..”
Broomfield:
And what about his relationship with Courtney?
Carlson:
Um, obviously it was going through turbulence, some turbulence. Whether it was going to end or not we don’t know. I don’t think we ever will, I mean, you know, but I mean all marriages go through their ups and downs.
Broomfield:
Did he ever say anything to you about, I mean, he did say it to plenty of other people…?
Carlson:
Said what?
Broomfield:
That he was going to finish the relationship.
Carlson:
Divorce? I mean, he never, he flat out said anything like that or any implication about it to me, you know. I mean, he didn’t even make any hints as far as I know about any kind of divorce or anything like that.
Broomfield:
I mean, it’s like, I’m just saying it’s like, why?…
I mean, if you are his best friend and he didn’t say anything about being depressed or suicidal, he just wanted the gun for prowlers, and that Rome was just an accident, you know, maybe you would think also he could have been murdered?
Carlson:
Mmm, why? I mean, who? I mean, it’s like…..
Broomfield:
Well if you were his best friend and he never said anything about anything being wrong, and he’d seen you just before- you know, maybe Tom Grant is right, maybe he was murdered.
Carlson:
But I mean he doesn’t have to say anything about it being wrong. I mean, it’s like, you know, when you are friends with someone there is like subtler forms of information transfer than just flat out, you know…
Broomfield:
So what did he subtly communicate to you?.
Carlson:
Broomfield:
I’m just trying to get a sense of what he did communicate to you. What you understood.
Carlson:
I mean, the thing is it’s like, the time he would have been communicating any sort of, you know, a sense that he wanted to kill himself was already….was when he came back from Exodus when I didn’t see him, you know.
Broomfield:
But if you bought the gun before he went and you think he was now suicidal.
.. Carlson:
I don’t think he was necessarily like planning to kill himself at that point necessarily, I mean, I don’t know though…I mean…
Broomfield:
It was just a coincidence.
Carlson:
I mean, it’s like if he had been totally like suicidal from the outset he would have used the gun that day probably, you know what I mean, why did he like try to go down and go through treatment?
Broomfield:
Why do you think?
Carlson:
You know, well ’cos there was all the fucking pressure on him to go through treatment. His wife is telling him he needs to go through treatment, his record company, his management, you know. So he goes and he tries to get off drugs and he can’t or he doesn’t want to. I mean it’s like basically, he doesn’t want to cos it’s like, you know, there is no reason for him to get off drugs. You know, it’s not like he’s poverty-stricken and robbing grocery stores to supply his habit.
Broomfield:
But how was Courtney telling him to be off drugs when she was on them anyway?
Carlson:
I dunno, ’cos she was the one who was all gung-ho for him to quit. I mean, they were both constantly like, I mean, trying to hide it from one another. I mean, the most ridiculous example was one time Kurt called me up to get some speed and then the other line rang and I answered the other line and it was Courtney asking me to get her dope, and both of them were like, “Oh, don’t let the other one know (smiles), I mean.
. Broomfield:
I don’t know what I think about the whole murder conspiracy.
Carlson:
Put it this way, if I seriously thought Kurt had been murdered, the people… if I thought Courtney was involved or if I thought, they would be dead now, flat out( small laugh.) I would kill them. If I thought that was the case, I mean,…
Broomfield:
But don’t you think it’s curious that if Courtney, as you said, loved Kurt so much, and she was really so worried about him, she knew he had a gun and thought he was suicidal. That she didn’t come up to Seattle to look for him? At this point, Carlson looks thoughtful but says nothing.
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Filmmaker Nick Broomfield,
Nick & El Duce
Nick Broomfield, deciding to investigate the theories himself, brought a film crew to visit a number of people associated with both Cobain and Love, including Love’s estranged father, Cobain’s aunt, and one of the couples’ former nannies Mentors’ bandleader Eldon “El Duce” Hoke, who claimed that Love had offered him $50,000 to kill Cobain.
Although Hoke claimed that he knew who killed Cobain, he did not mention a name and offered no evidence to support his assertion. However, he mentioned speaking to someone called “Allen” (Allen Wrench), before quickly interjecting, “I mean, my friend”, then laughing, “I’ll let the FBI catch him.”
Broomfield incidentally captured Hoke’s final interview, as he died days later when he was struck by a train in the middle of the night. Although El Duce passed a lie detector test no action was taken & his death was ruled an accident. https://www.youtube.com/embed/QRlxE03c5Rk?wmode=transparent
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podcast about Kurts death
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Cali spoke with Kurt
JESSICA HOOPER .
https://thedemoniacal.blogspot.com/
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